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Interview with Vinicio Capossela
Vinicio Capossela (Italian singer and songwriter), born in 1965, grew up in Emilia Romagna. He now lives in Milan. Poet and visionaire, Capoossela is a very unique and original figure on the Italian music scene. His world, made of demons, grace, shadows, lost souls and losers, revolves around the American underground culture and the road myth (namely Jack Kerouac, Charles Bukowski and Tom Waits). Vinicio Capossela is also an outstanding and creative live performer. A couple of his albums have won Tenco Best Album in the Year.

Interview with Paolo Ulian
Paolo Ulian at his studio in Milan. Photography by Luigi Di Pasquale
Paolo Ulian was born in Massa in 1961. He studied Fine Art at Accademia di Belle Arti di Carrara and then a Diploma in Industrial design at ISIA of Florence. From 1990 to 1992 he worked with Enzo Mari in Milan. He won the Design for Europe Award and Design Report Award and has collaborated with Driade, Fontana Arte, Luminara, Zani & Zani and Droog Design among others.
Simplicity, irony and poetry seem to be key elements in your work...

These are three crucial aspects I use to express myself. I would also add invention that is part of every project. To have a concept that appears to be solvable from the start means having a big part of the final project under control. The building process and form are a subsequent, almost natural evolution. Simplicity is the result of this process aimed at finding the essence of things. Irony appears spontaneously in many of my objects. One reason might be that they originated from observations of people’s quotidian behaviour. Recognizing your own habits in an object can make you smile and this seems a good thing to me. A project is poetic when it expresses a deep meaning and provokes an emotion.

Bruno Munari and Enzo Mari are two Masters who had a great influence on you…

Bruno Munari gave us plenty of delicate and intelligent ideas, his lessons are timeless, he was an absolute master for our generation. I can say the same of Enzo Mari but with him I had a direct relationship, he was my tutor and then I collaborated with him in his studio in Milan and this experience formed my personal vision and approach to design. With at times rough ways, he made me understand the importance of the ethical sense in a project, that design is not only about inventions and aesthetics but is about transmitting a thought, a political position. Few of his objects are true manifests like the series of containers “Putrella” or the “Ricerca sulla lavorazione a mano della porcellana” or again the container “Java”. In these pieces, there is a clear attempt to act on reality with a project. His are imperceptible revolutions masked by common objects, small stones thrown into stagnant water. These are recurrent thoughts for me and it’s not by chance.

What is the importance of ethical-environmental design in your approach?

It has always been one of my priorities. I graduated with a project of a corrugated cardboard screen and immediately after dedicated myself to researching semifinished rejects produced by marble companies. I wanted to create a catalogue of objects derived exclusively from rejects of actual cost next to zero. I didn't succeed in putting together a full catalogue and sold only a small edition. I conserved some pieces of reject which now have higher value than those which were finished. It was an attempt to demonstrate to those who work with this precious material that with a bit of care, it is possible to waste less. It was almost a didactic action. Later I did the same thing with wood and focused on creative recycling of waste products.

What are the reasons behind creating a new object?

I think that there are many incentives. It could be the wish to communicate a thought, a personal opinion on a certain argument, the attempt to modify people's attitudes, to reveal the potential of some material not yet developed... Everything that tends to improve the present has the right to be pursued even if the object might not always reach the expectations.

You live in Tuscany but still work in Milan. In Italy is it difficult to be a designer outside of Milan?

In Milan it's easier to develop a network of connections, personal and professional exchanges, to communicate and to be listened to. There is a big concentration of companies, activities and services revolved around design and this represents a big advantage to those who work in this sector. But for me, the best place in which to work in peace is in Tuscany. There the pace is slower, the quality of life is decidedly higher and in any case with today’s technology you can travel wherever very easily. The place where an idea is born is not important; the only thing that counts is its quality.

Is Milan still the capital of design?

I think so. Milan remains a point of reference, the place where important initiatives are presented and where interesting adventures began such as those of Droog Design or of the Eindhowen school, both of which owe a lot to Milan. It’s a city rightly criticized and with lots of negative points but it still succeeds to astonish, especially that magic week in April during the Salone del Mobile.


Interview with Giulio Cappellini
Giulio Cappellini, Art director of Cappellini
www.cappellini.it
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Interview with Maurizio Ribotti and Aldo Cibic
Maurizio Ribotti, CEO of Design Partners, co-organizer of Istanbul Design Week (www.istanbuldesignweek2008.com), and Aldo Cibic, renown Italian architect & designer, Art Director of IDW, talk about this year's issue of IDW.

Conversation with Aldo Cibic
Aldo Cibic, renown Italian architect & designer, one of the founders of Memphis with Ettore Sottsass speaks about his aim, visions, aesthetic and more.
www.cibicpartners.com

Music conversation with Massimo De Carlo
   
  Massimo De Carlo at his gallery  
  NOMAD: When I went to see and hear a concert by Steve Piccolo and Gak Sato I saw you in the audience. I know you are one of the most important gallery owners in Italy, but I didn’t expect to see you on that occasion. Since when do you have an extraordinary passion for contemporary music? 

De Carlo: I’ve been buying records since I was 15 years old. I started with rock and then, through various experiences, I approached more experimental forms. 
When I was a universitary student I was artistic director, for a while, of an association that organized rather innovative jazz events and concerts connected with contemporary culture. We invited people like Terry Riley, Anthony Braxton, Vinko Globokar, but also Morton Feldman, Sylvano Bussotti… 

NOMAD: Do you like contemporary music in general or electronic music in particular?

De Carlo: I listen to everything I can. I’m very moody so I change a lot. Right now I’m very interested in the voices of old people.

NOMAD: Another thing that made me curious was that at the end of the concert you asked some very technical questions about the electronic instruments. Do you also play an instrument?

De Carlo
: I used to play the clarinet but it was a disaster. I know the language of musicians because I worked with them for ten years and I know what language they speak. So it’s easy to communicate with them.

NOMAD: In your view, is there any link between contemporary music and contemporary art?
 
De Carlo: When I began to learn about music and to spend time with musicians it helped me a lot. Now it is different, I think they are two completely different worlds. But it’s hard to generalize.

NOMAD: You have great intuition when it comes to finding new art talents. But is there also some artistic theory you are pursuing, or do you proceed by pure intuition?

De Carlo: I read a lot of novels and their mechanisms, the way they are written, helps me to understand how the contemporary world works. 

NOMAD: What is Milan’s position today, in the landscape of contemporary culture?

De Carlo: It’s way in the back, on the right.

Watch the interview with Steve Piccolo and Gak Sato, Milan based musicians
 

 
Art interview with Sergio Breviario
 

Sergio Breviario The unexpected and exceptional circumstance that escapes the rule is what specifically interests Sergio Breviario. A single line of perspective, for example, allows us to perceive that - if ideally placed on the vanishing point that stretches out to infinity - the lines do not diverge but are parallel. It is an exception, a unique case that Breviario has recently re-elaborated in an environment composed of drawings, sculptures and an installation. His work is not only versatile in its choice of expressive media, but also develops in keeping with the praxis and modes of a “saga”. The point of arrival of a work necessarily coincides with the starting point of the next, in a logical, methodical process that always tends to be based on what has been defined as the “logic of delirium”. Being delirious means, in fact, to stray from the tilled furrow, the lira, venturing into untilled, uncultivated ground. To cultivate such spheres requires an excess of rationality rather than its absence. This is why the artist develops the logic of “over-inclusion”: every thing, every aspect, every detail, formal or conceptual, must respond to a rigorous determinism that does not permit error or randomness. Sergio Breviario graduated from the Brera Fine Arts Academy . He lives and works in Milan.

by Milovan Farronato


  Art interview with Luca Trevisani
 

Luca Trevisani’s work constantly suggests a principle of socialization and the consequent gauging of relational tensions. Through performance, video and installations, the artist seeks to allow a “force” to express itself. This implies one of the most typical results of each of his pieces: underlining the instability of things, the point of delicate imbalance and balance. He creates sidereal images and vibrations that should enter into “sympathy” with the passer-by, with those willing to observe and interact.
Movement, creation of energy, passages between physical states, from solid to liquid, are favorite areas of investigation for Trevisani, who intends to push communication towards pre-rational reasoning. He is not interested in the world of symbols or archetypes: his sculptures endure their shape with uncertainty (often in a state of becoming); they display themselves as abstract figures and define fields of mechanic relations. Luca Trevisani was born in Verona in 1979. He lives and works in Milan and Berlin. He recently won the Premio Furla for Art.

by Milovan Farronato


  Art interview with Simone Tosca
 

Simone Tosca was born in Cortemaggiore (Piacenza) in 1974. He lives and works in Milan. His research is rigorously aniconic, almost iconoclastic. Whether expressed as painting, sculpture or sound (an area in which he has been working since 2002), his purpose is always to experiment by starting with customary forms deeply imprinted in the collective imagination, using them to discover a visual unity that reaches toward territories where images lose their usual meaning and become open to non-symbolic, anti-narrative interpretation. This could be about pushing communication towards a pre-rational language, towards a more complex vision, clearly aesthetic but perhaps also more profound in nature.

by Milovan Farronato


  Art interview with Atrium Project
 

Atrium-Project is a collective formed in 2002 from collaboration between Claudia Dallagiovanna and Riccardo Arena. Without taking itself too seriously, Atrium-Project ironically depicts the celebration of the everyday dimension, using an iconography from “how-to instruction manuals”. Through videos, hand-painted ceramics and installations, the work narrates places characterized by abnormal immobility and a sense of expectation, as if something inevitable is about to happen from one moment to the next. A domestic Armageddon where a glass falling into fragments could have the same emotional intensity as the destruction of the solar system.

by Milovan Farronato


  Art interview with Lorenza Boisi
 

Lorenza Boisi was born in 1972 in Milan where she currently lives and works. She carried out her studies in Scotland and Holland, then completed her training in Nice at the Villa Arson, where in 2005 she earned a MA-First. Boisi seeks to redefine the specific quality of the pictorial medium with respect to other ways of reproducing images, exploring representation through expressionist figuration featuring recurring characters who move in an ambiguous, ironically nostalgic atmosphere, equally familiar and alien. In most cases they are female, but their identity is negated: their faces are covered, their hands are gloved. As the ideal accompaniment to this work in the atelier, Boisi has also ventured into a series of experiments on volume, exploring the concept of painting by taking it into a more sculptural, environmental dimension. A component that is not detached but integral to her pictorial research and to the development of a figurative system where the artist investigates the process of constructing an icon.

by Milovan Farronato


Fashion interviews with five independent fashion designers
by Patrizia Coggiola

Milan: a definitely not easy, chaotic and demanding town. Becoming a creative fashion designer is a considerable personal challenge here, because you are competing with a well-structured system, which means nobody will take it for granted that you are any good and everything you produce must be outstanding. Nevertheless it’s a positive thing for young designers just to be part of such a vast landscape of facilities such as workshops, fashion shows, and journalists ready to help any talented creative folk to actually get started.

Amaterasu. A brand of shoes designed by the creative hands of Marco Censi and Guillaume Hinfray, Milanese by adoption. Experimental creations with new materials, forms and decorative techniques. Considered among the most interesting young footwear designers on the Italian scene. Their brand is sold through La Vetrina di Beryl in via Statuto 4. www.amaterasu.it

“We have come to Milan for quite opposite reasons. From the province of Rome, ever since the 1980s Milan has been a natural destination for me; at that time the town was growing as the capital of creative design. And I immediately fell in love with it: quieter than Rome and Paris, less attractive but more dynamic, it has everything you can possibly need to be a successful business without becoming stressed out or losing the human touch thereby making it possible to enjoy personal relationships with everyone”.

Gentucca Bini. She is in fact a qualified architect who grew up in a fashion-oriented family, including a grand mother named Bruna Bini, a designer with her own atelier in via Montenapoleone in the 1960s, who worked with such artists as Fontana, Baj and Pomodoro. She has recently produced her own collection and is now designing for the Romeo Gigli brand name. Her shop and atelier are centrally located in via Pantano 17. 

Gentucca Bini. Photo by Rickard Kust

“Creating fashion is as difficult here as elsewhere. The problem is inside the system. Standards are by now set very high. Milan is very stimulating and is the only town in Italy where creative expressions get an answer. My method? Never stop working, working and working... But to do this from outside the system and remain there until people realize that you exist. Milan has great incentives, but by principle nobody goes out of their way to help, not even when you have been discovered. It’s all a matter of personal contacts and drive, refusing to take ‘no’ for an answer”.

Celeste All That. Although quite young, she has already worked at the style offices of Costume National, Blumarine, Moschino and started her own line in 2006. A romantic, humorous style, almost for bunny girls. But top quality and precious. For characters who want to show off. www.celesteallthat.com

Celeste Pisenti. Courtesy of the designer

“I feel great sorrow for those who have to leave Milan if they are to work in the fashion industry. To me, what you need here is good and strong personal relations. In this way my promotion has become self-promotion: make oneself known and invest, also in terms of character. You need determination as well as hard work and organization, not only research: often creative designers lose themselves in contemplation and sophisms. Milan requires realism, energy and vital optimism if you are to succeed”.

Roberto Musso. A minimalist and romantic poet, capable of creating emotion with imperfections, jocular and babyish prints. Soft dolls, sweet icons, all with soft shapes, lines that are often undefined, asymmetries, inlaid works. A native of Vigevano, in 2001 he opened a loft-atelier at via Vannucci and from there he excites people with his collections of hand-painted fabrics and hand-made decorated suits: abstract and natural designs, flowers and leaves, folds and asymmetric segments. The collection is sold through one shop: Marika in via G. Morelli 1.

Roberto Musso. Photo by Rickard Kust

“Milan in general spells traffic and negative rhythms. There is a lot of business, but not so much creativity. People may be curious of course, but then they do their actual shopping in the provinces or abroad, where shops are really innovative. Outside the fashion quadrilateral, Milan has little personality, nothing new and few initiatives that succeed, due to its high cost structure. Small businesses can survive thanks to Japanese buyers.  The city has a virtual reputation, I don’t believe it is the capital of fashion. Very little of the creativity that passes through Milan stays here, one simply does business very quickly, then moves on again because it is very expensive and not very open”.

Rohka is the brand name of Maria Restropo from Colombia and Ian Phin from Scotland who, after working in Paris and London, arrived in Milan separately in the early 1990s to work with Romeo Gigli. Subsequently they worked in the design offices of Versace and Marni. Their joint collection is on sale at Biffi’s in corso Genova 6. www.rohka.com

Rohka. Maria Restropo and Ian Phin. Photo by Rickard Kust
“Milan is an incongruous mix, living under the grand front of a relatively small, unsophisticated city where you find a real passion for professional capabilities: its life style is simple and modest, unpretentious and genuinely attractive. The people are such friendly and humane folk, which is one of our main reasons for remaining here. The city is central to whoever you need to know, professionals in ready-to-wear, textiles or sportswear. Unlike Paris or London, its image is not easy to grasp at the end of a day’s work, and may not seem to be up to the task, but Greater Milan is a vast conurbation and offers just about everything that international fashion designers could possibly want”.



Design interviews - five thoughts on Italian design today
by Cecilia Fabiani

Achille Castiglioni, Vico Magistretti, Bruno Munari, Marco Zanuso: the great masters of Italian design. They have all passed away during the course of the last decade. For many years, along with their surviving colleagues Ettore Sottsass and Enzo Mari, they determined the course of design. They were the first to make Italian design a familiar, famous presence around the world. Their immediate successors also included a number of fundamental figures for the history of Italian design. The generations overlap, so dividing design history up into segments or phases is not an easy task. Just try to position someone like Joe Colombo, who died young, on the map; or Cini Boeri and Gae Aulenti, the great ladies of Italian design. Nevertheless, the six talents mentioned above can be considered masters of the first generation, not only because of their dates of birth, but also due to the continuity and importance of their work and its influence. Design has changed over the years, in parallel with economic, sociological and cultural changes. The companies, products and designers have multiplied. The phenomenon is no longer limited to Italy, but takes place on an international scale. But in Italy, and especially in Milan, design plays a particular role, so the death of the great masters becomes a moment for reflection: what will be lost and what will remain? How has the world of design changed, and how will it change in the future? What will the era after the great historical masters be like (or what is it like already)? We asked some experts to answer these questions. They seem to agree that there is no longer room for “masters”, and that the legacy that remains is perhaps not as substantial as it looks. But their reasoning and predictions are varied.

Miki Astori, designer, born in Milan in 1965. Degree in architecture, studio in Milan since 1995. He works on product design, interior design and architecture. Expert on materials, craftsmanship and industrial production methods, explored during extensive travels in Europe, India and Asia.
www.mikiastori.com

Miki Astori. Courtesy of the designer

The masters were masters in the 1960s and 1970s. That was their golden age. This is why I think we have already been in the next phase for some time. Back then it was virgin territory, today it’s anything but. There’s an overload of designers in Milan today. Everybody’s a designer, we all design but we don’t change things much. And not just in Milan. This is a global, worldwide phenomenon.
The developing nations like India and China also want to have creative talents. Because when a society becomes more complex, the need arises for images, signs. The new masters can only appear in countries like these, today. If you think about it, the period of the masters in Italy was that of the postwar economic boom.
I wouldn’t worry about the future of design just because the great masters are disappearing; that would be like worrying about cinema because the great neorealist directors are all gone... Today we have everything, and that’s why we don’t need masters, unlike the countries where everything still needs inventing, thanks to rapid economic growth. The future? There will be professionals, they will be less famous, they will learn their craft by studying in good design schools. Design will no longer be so important, or to put it more precisely, it will be taken for granted. There is no more room for genius.

Bruno Fattorini, design entrepreneur, was born in Domodossola in 1939. After studying economics he worked in the furniture industry before acquiring MDF Italia in 1992, a company whose products stand out for their simple lines and research on materials. He is president of the company, its art director and the designer of many of its products. www.mdf.it

Bruno Fattorini at his studio. Courtesy of the designer

What comes after the masters?
Nothing, unless Milan can to some extent remain a place where ideas can become reality, a place where taste, the right cultural conditions and the capacity for discussion still survive. In recent years the new ideas have come from other countries, like Holland and Belgium. I’m thinking about Droog Design or the school of Eindhoven. It is partially a problem connected to education. Italian university-level design training is insufficient, so our designers are less and less capable of interpreting their times. I like to work with the foreigners, I think they are better at coming up with responses to change, they are not so burdened by the design of the 1950s and 1960s. To get results you have to invent new answers, and here in Italy that’s not happening.
Antonio Citterio and Piero Lissoni are the most successful designers in Italy today, and their work represents precisely the kind of styling that is in demand. The ideas are all similar, derived from each other... We so rarely see any different products that when it happens consumers tend to overestimate their value; this is why I think it is possible to take risks today. For the future, I’m pessimistic about Italy; more and more foreign designers will come here to work, from elsewhere in Europe. I don’t think the growth countries like China and India can make a big design contribution; the cultural differences are too big.

Loredana Mascheroni, journalist, born in Varese in 1962. Degree in Foreign Languages and Modern Literature from the State University of Milan. She began her career working for commercial television, and in 1989 she began to work in print in the furnishings sector. Since 1997 she has been the vice-editor-in-chief of Domus.

Loredana Mascheroni. Courtesy of the journalist

The age of the masters finished some time ago. In recent times they have continued to work, but their names are used like brands, because the situation has changed; their later works no longer have the social role and impact of their earlier efforts.
We’ve come a long way since then. Their era was a time of specific conditions: the economic boom, industrial growth, an enthusiastic view of the future. Even if such personalities exist today, the market will not let them emerge. The economics are different, everything is based on cost reduction. Big corporations acquire design companies that began as family businesses. This means that behind companies you no longer find individuals with clear ideas, but boards of directors, management teams, etc. This phenomenon leads to uniformity of products, but paradoxically the greatest success on the market goes precisely to the big corporations. Styling rules. Successful designers like Citterio and Lissoni, but also Morrison, work by reviving forms, re-designing, because this is the space set aside for design to move today. This is also why I’m not optimistic about the future. Another phenomenon is the small scale: lots of little objects are being produced, almost trinkets. But on that scale you cannot come to grips with any really important issues...
Some designers of the new generations, like Gabriele Pezzini, are looking for new formulae. They invent interesting cultural operations, but they have limited exposure and can operate only in micro-markets.

Massimo Morozzi, designer and art director of Edra, born in Florence in 1941. Degree in architecture. Member of the historic avant-garde design group Archizoom. Studio in Milan since 1982, working in the areas of product design, interiors and consumer goods, in collaboration with many companies. He has taught in many international schools. www.edra.com

Massimo Morozzi. Courtesy of the designer

Like Mendini, I belong to the generation in between the new designers and the great masters. The masters were our points of reference until the mid-1980s. Since then we’ve been in the post-master phase, and some important things have happened. First and foremost, more and more foreigners are doing design, starting with Philippe Starck. This has brought new energy and cultural enrichment. Design has become international, though the model of its production and communication is still Italian. As art director of Edra I work with many foreign designers. In the future designers will be younger and more international, also thanks to the many design schools. While my generation studied architecture - a form of training that Vico Magistretti defined as humanistic - today there are thousands of young people specifically studying design around the world. I’ve visited excellent schools in South America, in South Africa... the numbers are impressive. This implies that while in the past there were a few recognized personalities, today they are many more. It’s like white noise, you can’t distinguish individuals. The influence of the masters can be seen in the history of design, in books, but not in a direct way. Today everything tends to look the same, because the same information circulates everywhere, from magazines to the Internet. Another new factor is the focus on small projects, the small scale, but without any relationship with furniture or the city. Everything gets designed today: eyeglasses, fragrances, zippers. Design covers new areas, like food, for example. In the future it will be increasingly connected with marginal, curious aspects. Young people with the same kind of training will design everything. Personally, I feel optimistic about the future.

Gregorio Spini, entrepreneur in the lighting sector, born in Milan in 1958. He came to the field of design after working in art, theater and writing. In 1996 he founded Kundalini, a company that stands out for the strong expressive image of its products. He creates products with the Kundalinidesign brand.
www.kundarinidesign.com

Giorgio Spini. Courtesy of the designer
If I think of a master I think of Achille Castiglioni: the lightness, the wit, the originality of his projects. You can see his influence in the work of designers like Paolo Ulian, some German and English designers, and Marzio Rusconi Clerici, who has worked for us. But in general I’d say “We don’t need another hero”. We no longer need masters, but lots of talented people who design. Things change rapidly, and in such a speedy, interactive world, ideas and stimuli are connected to different factors: a material, a supplier, a random something. They are less and less associated with strong personalities. The stars are useful only for advertising. Strong identities tend to cut down the space of ideas, the most creative part. The real problem in our country is that no space is made for new things, for new talents. Italian design is not a matter of new impulses. It’s hard to emerge. And a culture that doesn’t make space means that there is no fertile ground for new things to grow. There’s an establishment that is disappearing, and after it comes nothing. Design, as the phenomenon of our time, is growing; it plays a central role and reaches a wider and wider audience. It is very important to manage this moment properly, for designers to work in an interactive, international way. There’s still room to change the world. The future? I hope there will be constant awareness, as a rule, of how much the environment affects us, and how much we affect the environment.




Art interview with Liliana Moro
by Milovan Farronato
Studio per un probabile equilibrio in movimento (Study for a probable balance in motion) is the title of a work dated 1997 that also offers a possible key of interpretation for the output of Liliana Moro, who has always been involved in reflection, through composed, contained and at times cold visual elaborations, on the theme of fragility and the pursuit of a possible psychological and existential equilibrium. The materials utilized - glass, paper, ceramics, lights, terracotta - embody the same sense of the precarious. The early works, through miniaturization and the allegory of childhood, feature the construction of a “light”, utterly personal language that no longer attempts an objective worldview; the subsequent works, starting in 2001, become spaces for experience, in which sound, words, video, sculpture, objects and performance combine to form a world that “stages” a reality that is simultaneously crude and poetic.
Milovan Farronato: Over the last decades the history of Milan, at least in terms of contemporary art, has been marked by two particularly important “events” that happened in close succession. In two cases, two groups of artists joined forces (in different ways, and with different motivations) in what were at least professional collaborations. The first case was that of “Lazzaro Palazzi” (in which you were a protagonists, together with Mario Airò, Bernhard Rudiger, Adriano Trovato, Stefano Dugnani, Giusy Mele...), and then came “Via Fiuggi” (Giuseppe Gabellone, Sara Ciracì, Simone Berti, Diego Perrone...). Apart from the fact that both groups took the name of a street, do you think these two experiences have other factors in common?
Liliana Moro: They were two rather different situations. Perhaps what they shared was the fact of not being a movement, and the desire to put ideas together. Via Fiuggi, if I’m not mistaken, was the house where a group of artists lived, who attended the Brera Fine Arts Academy and studied with Alberto Garutti. Via Lazzaro Palazzi, on the other hand, was an exhibition space opened by another group of artists, who from 1989 to 1993 organized shows and published a magazine called 'Tiraccorrendo'. At first there were nine of us and most of us came from the Brera Academy, specifically from the course taught by Luciano Fabro. Others came from the Casa degli Artisti run by Jole De Sanna, again with Fabro. It was a productive, stimulating and unique experience that attracted a lot of attention in those years, back when Milan was an active, varied city. This was the period in which certain galleries opened, which then became important reference points for contemporary art, and not just in Milan.
Milovan Farronato: It was precisely in the Lazzaro Palazzi space that you did your first solo show, where you presented Abbassamento (Lowering) that can be considered a declaration of poetics: fragility vs force is the dynamic, and it can also be found in many of your subsequent works, like La Fidanzata di Zorro (Zorrow’s Girlfriend) or the more recent Underdog...
Liliana Moro: I’m interested in directing attention toward shadow zones, and in Abbassamento I arrayed a platoon of 1,000 black and white paper dolls, a few centimeters in height. A feminine universe, in front of a fortress, also made of paper. But the aim was not to place an emphasis on a political viewpoint. In other works I have also shown the dynamics of power, often acted out by men. In Underdog, for example, five bronze sculptures of dogs fight amongst themselves. One watches cautiously; two are battling for supremacy; another triumphs while the last lies still on the ground. I’m interested in the fragility of force, which is not necessarily weakness, but simply the “other side of the coin” (which is also the title of one of my performance pieces). Who is the real loser? Fragility can be positive if it doesn’t become dependence...
Milovan Farronato: So it is possible to talk about forms of binary logic behind your work. Force and fragility, but also life and death. I remember one of your first works, Torno subito, in which in a simple but effective way you captured, between the work (a cradle) and its title, the entire parabola of human existence, from birth to death (ideally one goes out for a variable period of time and then, by necessity, returns to the origin). This also happens in one of your latest works, Chi tocca muore (Who touches dies), a series of terracotta pieces representing fruit and vegetables, scattered in a botanical garden. A still life made with a warm material, and therefore one that is somehow still alive.
Liliana Moro: I never want to close things, I prefer to keep multiple aspects in play, without reaching a definition. This is why I tend to move from one extreme to another, to always work along parallel lines.
Milovan Farronato: Why do you call yourself a sculptor, even though you have used many different media in your career (including video, environmental and sound installations, photography)?
Liliana Moro: It strikes me as true, I can sense it in the way I approach the start of an idea.



Art interview with Roberto Cuoghi
by Milovan Farronato
At the centre of Roberto Cuoghi’s research lies a chronological disorientation that is as dangerous as it is real. Coming from a strictly personal point of view, and therefore subject to distortion, the artist has formulated an irreversible and irreverent challenge against time, to see his own live from a reversed perspective: to live the present as though it were a pre-experienced future. He has aged, he has assumed the resemblance and the problems of a man twice his age, he has dressed himself in his father’s clothes and dyed his hair and beard white. He has renounced to a part of his own youth and produced works of art from this specific perspective: the biography intertwines in a visceral way with the poetry.
Milovan Farronato: Your training was in Milan, at the Accademia di Belle Arti di Brera, where you studied with Alberto Garutti. You belong to the Via Fiuggi generation, but you were never a part of that. Milan was also the scene of your first personal and artistic exploits. Furthermore, it’s where you live. What role (if any) has this city played in your artistic development?
Roberto Cuoghi: The role of the city isn’t clear to me. Maybe Milan makes you feel a sense of alarm, deep down. I grew up on the outskirts of a provincial city and I felt constantly surrounded by lawns and flower beds, and flower beds remind me of how rules get made. Instead I want to make my own rules, and Milan didn’t make me lose time because it made me feel like a fly in the ointment. I know all the bath houses in Milan; years ago I didn’t come back to sleep for days, that’s why I am more discreet these days. Now I go where I have to go and come back right away because I know exactly where to go and how to get back as quickly as possible. I really do live like an insect and I feel the obligation to go all the way. It’s still my city, but I’m not interested in cities. If the guy at the newsstand tries to chat, I go to another newsstand.
Milovan Farronato: One of the classic Scholastic models tells us: “Quidquid recipitur ad modum recipientis recipitur” (What one perceives is perceived in the way in which the perceiver perceives it). I think this “principle” has something to do with your modus operandi. Do you agree?
Roberto Cuoghi: It’s like saying “the universe is our mind”. I agree, but this is why we don’t understand each other: each with his own mind, which is precisely his universe. Instead, one cubic centimeter of gray matter, mine or yours, is the most organized cubic centimeter in the universe. In the laboratory it’s called the Ultimate Person, it gets put in a bag and then in the refrigerator. I’ve never bothered to try to decipher my modus operandi, it’s there in any case. I can’t really explain something if in order to do so I can only use what I’m supposed to explain. A shared vision is needed, a single language, a single tradition. Everyone wants a continental breakfast. Entertainment is a solution. A theme park instead of the end of the world, and the Ultimate Person in a blender, homogenized into a milky paste.
Milovan Farronato: Mbube, then Mei Gui (completely composed, sung and recorded by you, based on the model of a vanished original). The series of the maps, of the Peanuts. Then the photos in which you exorcized your aggressive feelings regarding certain persons, most of them connected with the art world (literally disrupted and disfigured by your imagination in the photographic representation). Is it important for you to develop a subject across different works rather than putting it all in a single operation?
Roberto Cuoghi: In part, this depends on the fact that for years I have preferred to work for foreign fairs rather than theme exhibitions. My work is just one thing, but it might also be a question of size, which I think of, however, in terms of time, months or years. That’s why I make little things, there are things that are too big and to me they just seem to take up space. Little things seem less guilty. 
Milovan Farronato: The work you are showing at Palazzo Grassi in Venice is also a series. Maps of seven specific nations, that you have painted on different transparent layers with different materials, mostly oily ones. Can you tell us something about this new work? 
Roberto Cuoghi: The project began three years ago. Luca Cerizza insisted that I go back to the maps for a bank in Geneva, but the only reason I had to make other maps was precisely the bank in Geneva. As far as I was concerned, I could have also chosen all the countries that begin with the letter “A”. Instead I followed the advice of the “Freedom House”, which monitors and indicates the governments that do not ensure basic inalienable human rights. It wasn’t enough, just as the bank of Geneva wasn’t enough, so I then added Colin Powell’s list of “renegade states” and the “axis of evil” described by George W. Bush. Then I eliminated the countries that can be seen as “salvaged” and I had my commission: the worst countries in the world, which are now glittering luxury goods for the collection of Monsieur Pinault at Palazzo Grassi. Now Luca Cerizza probably hates me.
Milovan Farronato: There is a widespread practice of artists working as exhibition curators nowadays. From Mike Kelley with The Uncanny to John Bock at ICA in London (two perfect cases of projects done not just as curators but also as artists). Would you accept the offer to do something like that, and what would you like to do?
Roberto Cuoghi: I don’t want to put anyone out of a job. I’d like to see the paintings of Giuseppe Castiglione, and instead no one is working on that. In Italy there is no catalogue on his work. I have one, but it’s in French.
Milovan Farronato: What’s your take on contemporary art in Milan?
Roberto Cuoghi: Distracted. I’m not particularly interested in the things that get opened and then dismantled, or the work of groups, and I have nothing interesting to say about institutions, administrations, associations looking for funding. I would prefer not to have understood the question.



Music conversation with Steve Piccolo and Gak Sato
by Corrado Beldì

Milan the global, Milan the traditional. Sounds of hit-and-run fashion shows, rowdy parties organized by Esterni during the Furniture Fair, rare bars where you can still hear songs in the all-but-extinct local dialect, squats where improvisation still has a home, while sound seems to have been practically forgotten in the city’s museums and artspaces. Milan looking for an end to inertia in its little “Zero2” (Milan’s “Timeout”). Lots of people just give up and leave, others arrive. Natty Giuseppe Verdi at piazza Buonarroti surveys the scene with a worried gaze. At La Scala they are waiting on Daniel Barenboim for Tristan und Isolde, and the Wagnerians are already losing sleep. The city as a waiting room, hoping for a new postwar atmosphere, seen by two musicians who came to Milan to live by choice, or maybe for love, or maybe just by chance.
Gak Sato (Tokyo, 1969) and Steve Piccolo (New Hampshire, 1954) are two pillars of the Milan music scene. A Japanese and an American by the canals of Leonardo da Vinci, global artists who at this point can say that they’ve been inventing sounds and performances for decades. It’s always intriguing to meet them: three years ago I saw them at the gallery in 10 Corso Como: Steve and Gak were accompanying poems read by Gerard Malanga, the renowned Warhol collaborator. An unforgettable reading that felt like New York, or the Factory, or maybe just Milan.
Steve made music history with the Lounge Lizards, together with John and Evan Lurie, Arto Lindsay and Tony Fier. Then he left New York and came to Europe to make new music and, eventually, teach something called sound design.
Why live in Milan? No reason, actually. “The most important choices you make in your life are the ones to which you devote the least reflection and study: getting married, where to live, that sort of thing. They just happen, if you think you know why you’re just kidding yourself,” says Steve.
You watch him and think that maybe it’s not so important where you live, but to live that place to the fullest, observing it, loving it, leaving some sign of your passage.
Gak Sato, Corrado Beldì and Steve Piccolo
For Gak the story isn’t so different, but maybe it all seems even stranger: to live in a city where there is no Japanese community, no cultural, visual or musical events connected to his country. A city where the most widespread trace of Japan is the souond of digital cameras clicking. “It’s weird, but Japanese records don’t sell in Italy, while Italian records do a brisk trade in Japan”.

Gak got here in 1991 and practically hasn’t left since. Keyboards, electronics, theremin. As a music producer, after his debut with Post-Echo he launched Temposphere, the contemporary music label of Right Tempo Records in Milan.
How did he meet Steve? “By chance… we played one gig together and that was the start of our expeditions”. The splendid CD Expedition, featuring Gak with Steve and Luca Gemma, in 2004, is a record of electronics, samples of melodies from the past, sounds stolen from the city. The street as a stage.
“Nobody sings in the street anymore. Concerts are the only moments of musical semi-participation. Making music and singing is in our DNA, it’s a part of everyone, from kids to fishmongers. But school makes kids hate to sing,” Steve says. “You hear lots of complaining about noise in this city, but there’s really a lot of repression everybody wants to sing but the rules impose silence or approved sounds.”

I wonder about Gak’s neighbors when he practices on the theremin or some other electronic gizmo. I think about their concerts in local squats. The other evening at Isola Art Center, Tomàs Saraceno was trying to build an installation on the idea of constructing a city in the sky, without government, moved only by the wind. Steve wanted to make the Center take off: “We worked there for four years on music, discussions, performances. Then the real estate speculators sent the police and that was that. Last week the demolition crews knocked down half the building.”
You can’t tell if he’s disappointed or amused. He’s probably already thinking about a new project.
“We’ll move things, for the moment, to Xabier Iriondo’s shop, Sound Metak, and to Assab One. Xabier sells restored instruments, folk things, handmade electronics. We do concerts there on Saturday afternoons. The place is fantastic…”
Then something distracts him, a distant sound. A car with a hole in its muffler accelerates on the overpass. He listens and thinks. In those moments you realize that in Milan there are still plenty of interesting noises. In those moments you understand why Steve and Gak decided to stay here for a while. And you understand why, when John Cage came to Milan, a tram ride was enough to make him happy.
 
www.gaksato.com
www.undo.net/stevepiccolo/index.cgi



Design interview with Luca Fois, CEO, and Maurizio Ribotti, Managing Director of Zot srl Milan (March 22, 2007 at Design Library, Milan)

Luca Fois and Maurizio Ribotti at Design Library, Milan
NOMAD - how did the Zona Tortona Design project arise?
Luca Fois - The original nucleus arose in 1999 when a friend bought the premises of CGE, a former manufacturing plant, in order to convert it into Super Studio Più, calling on us to set up for April 1999 the first event for her fashion design business. Our first organised event was however with Cappellini and this was followed by a brief series of events for other design exhibiting companies.
The following year we had several events in different locations, hence the need to map out very clearly the route to follow enabling visitors to understand right away that our event was taking place throughout the area. To achieve this we glued 3,000 red stickers on the pavements, at a meter’s distance one from another, and decided to call the project Zona Tortona.
The Design Library, did it arise then, too?
Maurizio Ribotti - Yes, this was set up 12 months ago for the Salone del Mobile Exhibition. Its primary purpose is to become a cultural reference point, an information centre with documentation on the design business. Secondly to create a meeting place, as Fois put it a big piazza, for students and designers and business people to meet together. Surprisingly there existed no such location for designers until then whereas today’s library offers the full sets from 1920 of the journals Domus and Casabella which are rare documents having considerable business impact nowadays. Our third purpose is to promote the Design Library as a suitable location where companies can make business presentations of different kinds. Fourthly an objective calling for an  investment of resources in Thursday Design Evenings, four times a month and usually lasting from 9 to 11 p.m. At these encounters we invite well-known designers, architects and business people to talk about their own interpretation of their work.

... and your relationship with Milan?
Luca Fois - I feel I’m a genuine Milanese although dad came from Sardinia and mum from Germany. Recently Milan itself is beginning to feel different from the conurbation as immigrant communities start to contact each other. Zona Tortona is exemplary but we also operate from Base Bovisa, which  is a spin-off of ZOT with a different target and another spirit, more experimental and involving students.  Similar locations in the Milan area are enabling us to offer models with specific local content.  Milan is rich in local priorities finding it difficult to adequately express themselves and find out who else has a common approach. We are helping to achieve this.

Maurizio Ribotti - On the contrary I think there are negative aspects which should however be read positively. I mean, Milan is the most provincial city in Europe, the less capital, but all this should be considered as a half full and not half empty glass in terms of potential, because its creativity, fashion and design capabilities, which we are more concerned with, mean it has leader status given the second-to-none strengths of our vast conurbation. It stands on its own merits.

Luca Fois - Another positive thing about Zona Tortona is the idea of Milan being a ‘small sized metropolis’. Zona Tortona is if you like a sort of renaissance village, with de size of an old town, which is part of an international circuit of communications and relations while retaining its human dimension. Other big urban areas tend to suffer the syndrome of ‘it’s all too much for me’ resulting in loss of identity and human scale for many visitors. Zona Tortona is on the contrary an area offering a given part of its spaces which are dedicated to encouraging creativity and purposeful contacts - to me this is a big point in its favour.
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Interview with Beniamino Saibene, co-founder of Esterni (December, 2006 at Esterni, Milan)
NOMAD - what is Esterni?
Beniamino Saibene - The idea of esterni came up 11 years ago with three friends looking to organise something in Milan which could bring a change to this city. In the past, but this is also true today, many young people and especially students were trying to go abroad to Paris, London, Berlin – cities that were maybe more attractive. We chose instead to stay in Milan, a city where it’s difficult to meet new people, since the Milanese tend to stick with the same group of friends; so the intention was to create a point of encounter. The structure is now involved in many different fields such as Design, Architecture, Politics, Movie, Music and there are now 20 people working in all these different directions. However, our original plan remains the same, which is to transform the city into a melting pot for one night, ten days or the whole year. We wish to make Milan a place where one is happy to stay, where people can meet, socialize and be themselves; to make it a lively city that is stimulating from many points of view, a city where the individual becomes the centre of interest.
One of the most important events you organise is the Milano Film Festival?
Yes, we started 11 years ago and the first year was just a one-night evening organised in an abandoned church. Today the Milan Film Festival lasts 10 days and is hosted in 8 areas around the city, including the Piccolo Theatre. During the last Edition, more than 300 films were screened and 57 works were selected for the competition. This event last year drew 85,000 visitors, so we are very happy about it.
What is the main characteristic of the Milan Film Festival?
We are known primarily for short movies but we tend to go for a mix. We have two international competitions, for short films and for feature films. They are not divided into categories: documentaries, fictions, experimental films, animations, etc.; instead, we consider them all together. We receive films from all over the world and work for a year searching for them in film-making schools as well as production and distribution companies. Our ambition is to give space and visibility to young and independent filmmakers whom we also try to support in different ways: for example, we have created a re-distribution project by organizing an alternative distibution circuit in Italy and abroad. Another aim is to bring to Milan all the directors of the flms in competition and to create a place where exchanges of ideas and views can take place, always structured around the city. 
Is there a Milan-based film-making scene?
Yes, there is a small movement made up of people like Logovideo (Francesco Villa), Massimiliano Mazzotta, Federico Rizzo, who want to make a difference and show that Milan is alive and that Rome is not the only place where things are happening. Until now, virtually everything in the movie industry has been based in Rome, including finance, directors and distributors. They are currently seeking to establish a network made up of all the people in Milan who are involved in the film industry: schools, producers, directors, festivals, critics… The main problem is that there are no big investors, and even the institutions have done very little in recent years to develop this field.
Esterni is also very active during the Salone del Mobile (Milan Furniture Show), an event that brings the entire design world to Milan;  how has this come about?
Milan is known to be the capital of Design, which is certainly true during the Salone when you have thousands of people involved in Design walking around, as well as design-related parties and events. Paradoxically, however, Milan is also quite an ugly city. One of the main events we organise during the Salone is the house of Designers, a place where we provide accommodation for young designers, a service that is greatly appreciated, as this is a very unique place where they can meet with other designers and interact in many ways.
So this is definitely a positive aspect of Milan?
Yes it’s a real challenge to stay here. The good point is that there are so many things that need to be done here. For example around the city and the surrounding suburbs, there is nothing: it’s like a desert with much that could be done to improve it. We believe something must change as the cultural scene is still poor, there are huge problems including smog, solitude, etc…There is definitely a lot to be done in these areas.
So what are you doing concretely to change the city?
We organise the TV viewers’ strike, for example, inviting people to switch off the TV one evening to go and discover the city and meet other people. During the Fashion Week, we organise the alternative Fashion Week, going against the stereotypes of the fashion system. There is also the Traffic Week, a whole week dedicated to the problem of pollution and traffic... We have united all our projects and ideas about the city in a programme entitled “Le cose da fare” (Things to do), which we presented for the last city council election.
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